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	<title>Comments on: Thirteen Facts about BSG&#8217;s Beings of Light (Original Series)</title>
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		<title>By: olds88</title>
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		<dc:creator>olds88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh also:

D'Anna may also have been talking to Anders in the temple when she asked for forgiveness, since she almost shot him on Caprica when the building exploded.

Can't think of anything she did to Torrie or the Chief though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh also:</p>
<p>D&#8217;Anna may also have been talking to Anders in the temple when she asked for forgiveness, since she almost shot him on Caprica when the building exploded.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t think of anything she did to Torrie or the Chief though.</p>
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		<title>By: olds88</title>
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		<dc:creator>olds88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Actually, Romo Lamkin was the character I was alluding to as being the possible cylon 7-- and the repository of Joseph Adama. 

Reasons: 
â€¢ He's a brilliant defense lawyer, just like Joseph Adama. And he just happens to have known Joseph Adama. I think in season 3 he said Joseph Adama "taught me everything I know"-- even though he seems a bit too young for that to have been possible, unless he doesn't age. 

â€¢ Beyond that, he seems keenly interested in the life of Lee Adama. In fact, this otherwise minor character is responsible for completely for changing the trajectory of Lee Adama's life. 

â€¢ Stranger yet, he is comfortable talking to a cylon, and has no trouble emotionally manipulating Six-- even though he has presumedly never met a cylon before.

â€¢ Stylistically, his mysterious air implies he has a bigger role than a one-time walk on. He's detached from everyone else and the situation they are in-- always one step ahead and slightly amused even when people try to kill him. He is also the owner of the only known pet in the BSG universe.

If he is Joseph Adama, he would no doubt be aware of that. His character would almost certainly not be aligned with the cylons, but more of a quiet protector of humanity. He may have been the person who told Bill Adama there are only 12 cylon models (probably Baltar though).

It's also possible that Leoben's claim was referring to Joseph Adama, but that Joseph became another hybrid or was downloaded into an early mechanical cylon. That wouldn't be as interesting though, just a red herring.

My early money was on Doc Cottle because he is similarly aloof and seemingly indifferent to the fate of humanity. He was also in a position to watch over the hybridkids and to tell Baltar there was no chip in his head even if there was. I still think he will have a larger role in the story, but maybe that's just because I like the character so much.

Thanks,  I'll get to the other stuff later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Actually, Romo Lamkin was the character I was alluding to as being the possible cylon 7&#8211; and the repository of Joseph Adama. </p>
<p>Reasons:<br />
â€¢ He&#8217;s a brilliant defense lawyer, just like Joseph Adama. And he just happens to have known Joseph Adama. I think in season 3 he said Joseph Adama &#8220;taught me everything I know&#8221;&#8211; even though he seems a bit too young for that to have been possible, unless he doesn&#8217;t age. </p>
<p>â€¢ Beyond that, he seems keenly interested in the life of Lee Adama. In fact, this otherwise minor character is responsible for completely for changing the trajectory of Lee Adama&#8217;s life. </p>
<p>â€¢ Stranger yet, he is comfortable talking to a cylon, and has no trouble emotionally manipulating Six&#8211; even though he has presumedly never met a cylon before.</p>
<p>â€¢ Stylistically, his mysterious air implies he has a bigger role than a one-time walk on. He&#8217;s detached from everyone else and the situation they are in&#8211; always one step ahead and slightly amused even when people try to kill him. He is also the owner of the only known pet in the BSG universe.</p>
<p>If he is Joseph Adama, he would no doubt be aware of that. His character would almost certainly not be aligned with the cylons, but more of a quiet protector of humanity. He may have been the person who told Bill Adama there are only 12 cylon models (probably Baltar though).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also possible that Leoben&#8217;s claim was referring to Joseph Adama, but that Joseph became another hybrid or was downloaded into an early mechanical cylon. That wouldn&#8217;t be as interesting though, just a red herring.</p>
<p>My early money was on Doc Cottle because he is similarly aloof and seemingly indifferent to the fate of humanity. He was also in a position to watch over the hybridkids and to tell Baltar there was no chip in his head even if there was. I still think he will have a larger role in the story, but maybe that&#8217;s just because I like the character so much.</p>
<p>Thanks,  I&#8217;ll get to the other stuff later.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, Lisa!  I have faith in the show they will go to this level in a very tasteful way.  I appreciate your commentary, and I didn't know I could watch TOS on the Internet lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, Lisa!  I have faith in the show they will go to this level in a very tasteful way.  I appreciate your commentary, and I didn&#8217;t know I could watch TOS on the Internet lol</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi olds88, thanks for stopping by. I find the SciFi Forums very confusing too. 

Since I wrote the original post a few weeks ago, I have been thinking that D'Anna may not necessarily have been talking to the Final Cylon. I made that assumption as many people have, but there's nothing that says that is indeed the case. She very well may have been talking to Tigh and that would make sense.

When I first heard the Joseph Adama is a Cylon meme, I thought it was kind of lame, but I'm warming up to it. I don't think he's THE Final Cylon, though, since he hasn't ever made an appearance on the show. I do think that Lee's comments to his father that if Zac came back a Cylon, he would still be Zac is setting up what will happen to Joseph Adama in Caprica. However, another commenter Brian thinks that Romo Lamkin is the Final Cylon -- it would not be a huge stretch for him to be Joe Adama in cognito. Graystone as the Razor hybrid is a fantastic idea and I'm on board with that. 

I like the idea of the nebula where Starbuck disappeared being a wormhole to the Red Spot of Jupiter. That would make the wormhole an Axis Mundi symbol in BSG. I'd love to hear what other thoughts you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi olds88, thanks for stopping by. I find the SciFi Forums very confusing too. </p>
<p>Since I wrote the original post a few weeks ago, I have been thinking that D&#8217;Anna may not necessarily have been talking to the Final Cylon. I made that assumption as many people have, but there&#8217;s nothing that says that is indeed the case. She very well may have been talking to Tigh and that would make sense.</p>
<p>When I first heard the Joseph Adama is a Cylon meme, I thought it was kind of lame, but I&#8217;m warming up to it. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s THE Final Cylon, though, since he hasn&#8217;t ever made an appearance on the show. I do think that Lee&#8217;s comments to his father that if Zac came back a Cylon, he would still be Zac is setting up what will happen to Joseph Adama in Caprica. However, another commenter Brian thinks that Romo Lamkin is the Final Cylon &#8212; it would not be a huge stretch for him to be Joe Adama in cognito. Graystone as the Razor hybrid is a fantastic idea and I&#8217;m on board with that. </p>
<p>I like the idea of the nebula where Starbuck disappeared being a wormhole to the Red Spot of Jupiter. That would make the wormhole an Axis Mundi symbol in BSG. I&#8217;d love to hear what other thoughts you have.</p>
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		<title>By: olds88</title>
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		<dc:creator>olds88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, thanks for writing this. I am very interested in the show, but find the forum on scifi.com to be unreadable. 

Just a couple things I think I have though about, that might fit in:

You mentioned D'ana seeing the final five and apologizing, saying, "I had no idea." I think this refers to her appearance as a reporter on Galactica. During that time, she sets up Tigh and gets him drunk before his interview, making him very angry. She is apologizing in the temple to Tigh for her behavior, not to the final cylon.

Leoben mentions "Adama" is a cylon. I think he is telling the truth, but he is referring to Joseph Adama, Lee's grandfather. If you read about the upcoming prequel called "Caprica," you find it set on that planet prior to the first war and that Joseph Adama will be a main character. The story is obviously sketchy so far, but will involve the building of the first cylons. Also, it appears at least some humans will be "downloaded" or "resurrected" in cylon bodies in that time period. 

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Portal:Caprica

The hybrid in "Razor," who says his children see him as god, is probably the human inventor of the cylons (apparently, to be named Daniel Graystone), kept alive through the hybridization process. My guess is Joseph Adama also became some sort of cylon, which makes Leoben's statement technically correct, but misleading. If my guess is correct, we'll see a flashback episode to pre-war Caprica sometime soon (which, hey, will just happen to introduce a new TV series). This "may" make the downloaded Joseph Adama cylon 7. Originally, I bet cylon 7 would be Doc Cottle, but another character is now the odds-on favorite. If, I am right, it would be quite a spoiler, but I think you can guess who it would be. 

As far as the Starbuck/Ship of Light mystery, I am less sure. However, I have a theory: the gas planet where Starbuck disappeared cloaks a small wormhole that transports her a great distance. Since she keeps painting what looks like Jupiter, I am guessing the other wormhole is located in the actual Eye of Jupiter. In a real worm hole, matter would be destroyed  as it enters. So, assuming they stay with the science, that would require someone or something on the other end to reconstruct the matter, presumedly, the beings of light. This would explain why Kara says her body feels different and why her ship was rebuilt perfectly. It also (kinda) explains the time dilation and that she has no memory of the transit in either direction.

I have a bunch of other thoughts on the story, especially of the whole "harbinger of death" thing, but thought I would toss this stuff out there for consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thanks for writing this. I am very interested in the show, but find the forum on scifi.com to be unreadable. </p>
<p>Just a couple things I think I have though about, that might fit in:</p>
<p>You mentioned D&#8217;ana seeing the final five and apologizing, saying, &#8220;I had no idea.&#8221; I think this refers to her appearance as a reporter on Galactica. During that time, she sets up Tigh and gets him drunk before his interview, making him very angry. She is apologizing in the temple to Tigh for her behavior, not to the final cylon.</p>
<p>Leoben mentions &#8220;Adama&#8221; is a cylon. I think he is telling the truth, but he is referring to Joseph Adama, Lee&#8217;s grandfather. If you read about the upcoming prequel called &#8220;Caprica,&#8221; you find it set on that planet prior to the first war and that Joseph Adama will be a main character. The story is obviously sketchy so far, but will involve the building of the first cylons. Also, it appears at least some humans will be &#8220;downloaded&#8221; or &#8220;resurrected&#8221; in cylon bodies in that time period. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Portal:Caprica" rel="nofollow">http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Portal:Caprica</a></p>
<p>The hybrid in &#8220;Razor,&#8221; who says his children see him as god, is probably the human inventor of the cylons (apparently, to be named Daniel Graystone), kept alive through the hybridization process. My guess is Joseph Adama also became some sort of cylon, which makes Leoben&#8217;s statement technically correct, but misleading. If my guess is correct, we&#8217;ll see a flashback episode to pre-war Caprica sometime soon (which, hey, will just happen to introduce a new TV series). This &#8220;may&#8221; make the downloaded Joseph Adama cylon 7. Originally, I bet cylon 7 would be Doc Cottle, but another character is now the odds-on favorite. If, I am right, it would be quite a spoiler, but I think you can guess who it would be. </p>
<p>As far as the Starbuck/Ship of Light mystery, I am less sure. However, I have a theory: the gas planet where Starbuck disappeared cloaks a small wormhole that transports her a great distance. Since she keeps painting what looks like Jupiter, I am guessing the other wormhole is located in the actual Eye of Jupiter. In a real worm hole, matter would be destroyed  as it enters. So, assuming they stay with the science, that would require someone or something on the other end to reconstruct the matter, presumedly, the beings of light. This would explain why Kara says her body feels different and why her ship was rebuilt perfectly. It also (kinda) explains the time dilation and that she has no memory of the transit in either direction.</p>
<p>I have a bunch of other thoughts on the story, especially of the whole &#8220;harbinger of death&#8221; thing, but thought I would toss this stuff out there for consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian &lt;a href="http://www.briandemilio.com/battlestargalacticaseason4finalcylon/#clues" rel="nofollow"&gt;goes into some details about the original series&lt;/a&gt; that I didn't include here, and might be helpful. Specifically, I like what he's suggesting about Shelly Godfrey and Leoben-not-Leoben as well as the nature of Inner-6 and Inner-Baltar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian <a href="http://www.briandemilio.com/battlestargalacticaseason4finalcylon/#clues" rel="nofollow">goes into some details about the original series</a> that I didn&#8217;t include here, and might be helpful. Specifically, I like what he&#8217;s suggesting about Shelly Godfrey and Leoben-not-Leoben as well as the nature of Inner-6 and Inner-Baltar.</p>
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